Borodino
have my new copy of GdB in hand, and am ready to kick into a game. but first i need to paint an army. so, is anyone aware of a full "GdB'd" OOB from Borodino? i have the one in the rules, obviously, but i'd like to know more about other units in operation. for instance Eugene's Italian Guard.

ah. so the answer is no? there is no already-compiled GdB Borodino OOB other than those in the ruleset?

Don't be too quick to think that someone on this forum has not developed an OOB for Borodino with approximate unit strengths that could be used. Sometimes it takes a couple of days for people to answer. Usually, if you do not get a complete answer, you will get an answer that will get you in much closer than you were.

Hi There is a very good and detailed orbat on http://www.napoleon-series.org/ - go to the military section, campaigns and battles and look under 1812. I have been looking at Borodino for some time and there is, in fact, very little information out there about individual unit strengths - in fact, there is considerable controversy as regards total army strengths. The best you can do, therefore is pick a set of numbers that you are comfortable with based on your research and then work out your own unit strengths based on how the totals divide up by the numbers of btns and squadrons present. Not sure what scale of figures you are using but Borodino is an immense battle to try and tackle as a single project. You might want to think about focusing on individual sectors of the battle and to try to reproduce those. By the way - I have no doubt that there are going to be a few borodino refights being planned as it is the next 'big one' up for a 200 yr anniversary after Wagram. O

thanks orange. i'm going 28mm, so aren't interested in the entire refight so much as reasonable "1000-point" games of an evening. it's more that i'm interested in fielding some of the more obscure units, such as the italian guard. will keep beetling away at it.

Aren't some of the sample OOBs in the ruleset for the 1812 campaign?

yes, you have some of eugene's corp, and one division of ney's. would be nice to be able to select more broadly, especially considering that field all the IV cavalry corp would likely look good on table.

Well, why not buy Hourtelle's Borodino book - uniform info and basic numbers on everyone present - but I think you are going to accept a high degree of fudge for unit strengths - I think Orange is essentially correct, pick a division that interests you and work towards completing it. If so, of course, you are exhibiting a higher degree of concentration than I.

The book gives a general description of the action, some details as to casualties (evidently almost as much "fudge" here as in overall numbers) and uniform and colours detail for just about every regiment present - of course with the Russians there is an awful lot of green. If you are looking for a history of the battle I would suggest you look elsewhere.... Perhaps you can alternate French and Russians each week?

DOH!! i ordered the wrong book. here's hoping the Mikaberidze one is as interesting... pesky late night interweb reading...

Does anyone have any suggestions for 15mm figures suitable for the 2nd Portuguese Infantry Regiment from Ledru's 10th Division? I was thinking that painting a battalion of these would be a suitable break from French Line. I've seen references that refer to the regiment having two weak battalions? Anyone with any ideas as to how weak, and how they were organised? My first thoughts were 2x24 figure battalions...

here's the portuguese uniforms if anyone needs the memory jogged. http://empire.histofig.com/IMG/jpg/france_hl_09.jpg