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[longtan]

Anyone got an image and or reference as to the colours for Russian Guard Hussar Trumpeter ?
Thanks

[Greystreak]

A 'time period' indication would help others to help you better, Longtan, as the Hussars uniform underwent several changes between 1799 and 1814, and the Guard Hussars in particular.

With my limited Google-fu, I can find no specific image of a Russian Guard Hussar Trumpeter. However in book form, MAA 189 - The Russian Army of the Napoleonic Wars (2) - Cavalry 1799-1814 (P. Haythornthwaite), on Plates A2 and G1 have coloured illustrations by Brian Fosten of 'troopers' in 1799 and 1812 respectively, and the text has specific descriptions of this Regiments changing uniform over the period. (This book is currently OOP, but available from used book sources, such as Abe.)

In terms of web-resources, I found the following illustration of an NCO trumpeter of the Mariupol Hussars, post-1809: http://www.napoleonguide.com/uniforms_russ31.htm, which shows the some of the following key features of Hussar trumpeters at this time:
1. 'Shells' in the braid/button colour on the shoulders of the dolman and pelisse (rather than "swallow's nests"), matched by 'braiding' down the rear of the sleeves, and on the rear panels of each garment; (note the absence of 'chevrons' down the sleeves, as with other types of cavalry or Russian infantry);
2. The trumpeter's distinctive plume: pure red for 'privates', but for NCOs (e.g., 'staff' trumpeters) topped with black, with an orange vertical stripe in the middle;
3. Pelisse fur trim: white for trumpeter privates, black for NCO's (as shown in the linked illustration);
4. The trumpeter carries no carbine, nor the ammunition belt and pouch to service it.
I am assuming you already have the basic details (e.g. colours) of dolman, pelisse, legwear, shako cords, pompons, etc. for your target period, . . . if not, let me know.

Hope that helps!
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Bryce Allen

[longtan]

Thanks greystreak , yes you helped very much .

Russians will be for 1813 - 1814 period. I

had been going through my F.G.Hourtoulle books , Eltings and my Nafziger books and could only find references to the troopers.

I had been thinking along the lines of the French Hussars ...reverse colours . But was not 100% sure. Hence the question .

Thanks again.

[Greystreak]

No reversed colours for trumpeters in Russian service--quite right. I assume you caught the 1809 changes of a) dark blue dolman to red with dark blue facings (red matching the pelisse), b) white trousers (full dress) to dark blue with yellow/gold stripe (mid grey overalls with two red stipes on campaign), c) the sash dark blue (from red) with yellow barrels, and d) shako with yellow pompon with red centre, and yellow cords (for other ranks, including NCOs), silver cords for officers? Happy to help!
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Bryce Allen

[longtan]

Oh yea ! OF course i did !

[Greystreak]

Some 'period' plates of the Russian Guard Hussars, found at the New York Public Library 'digital gallery', Vinkhuijzen Uniform Collection (http://digitalgallery.nypl.org/nypldigital/dgtitle_tree.cfm?level=1&title_id=269277).

Just click on 'Russia' (to expand), browse the date range you're seeking, scroll the plates, and click 'Resize' to enlarge the images. To save time, I've put some direct links to the relevant plates below:

http://digitalgallery.nypl.org/nypldigital/id?441123
http://digitalgallery.nypl.org/nypldigital/id?441238

I've also recently been reminded that a professional painter, local to me in the UK (Ron Redworth), has a unit of 18mm AB's painted up as the Guard Hussars (full dress): see them at his shop's website here: http://www.wargames-den.co.uk/15mm-napoleonic-russian-guard-hussars-ab-12-figures-russ006-246-p.asp.
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Bryce Allen

[longtan]

Now those figures ARE VERY VERY NICE!